I believe Robert Sinutko was Charles' brother or cousin. Charles (Junior) was last seen still breathing in a WT provided mobile home in Desert Hot Springs, California near Palm Springs. His name is still listed in the White Pages there.
Juan Viejo2
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Where is Charles Sinutko now?
by moggy lover indoes anyone have any news about charles sinutko, who give the infamous "stay alive till '75" talk?
forty years have passed since then, so is he still alive and still with the watchtower?
anyone heard anything?.
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GB says, "Our way of worship will soon be altered."
by Separation of Powers inmy mom called me yesterday to ask how i was doing.
i hadn't seen her in a while, so it was nice to hear her voice.
we went through the motions of jw small talk and then she started telling me about her co visit from last week.
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Look for fewer Kingdom Halls being built in more remote or underpopulated areas. My insider contacts have been out of touch over the past couple of months and I've been busy, so haven't been paying close attention. This past week I did chat briefly with someone who emailed me and told me that they had some information to share. I have no proof of this person's access to inside information or credibility, but what he shared fits with this thread.
Kingdom Halls built in small rural towns cost the Watchtower about the same as Halls built in big cities - except for land investment. Some of the KHs in remote areas are in relatively poor condition (compared to those found in larger cities) and the cost to rebuild or upgrade to current WT standards would be money that could not be regained in a sale of those properties. In the USA think of remote areas of North Dakota, Montana, Idaho, eastern Washington state - even areas in Arkansas, Mississippi and Louisiana.
The rumor is that the WT will continue to build Assembly Halls in larger towns and cities. For remote areas with less than 50 publishers, they will either rent space in a commercial building (this was a common practice in the 1950s) or have everyone meet at one of the elder's homes (like the old Book Study days).
A series of Public talks and Watchtower Studies will be streamed over the Internet (protected by special logins so that apostates can't sneak in - or the public, for that matter). Interesting that "Public Talks" will be presented, but NOT AVAILABLE to the public!
This concept of "streaming meetings" may be what they mean by "our way of worship will soon be altered."
Notice that they are not saying, "we will be changing our beliefs" or "we will be changing our policies." Instead, the rumors indicate that they will be changing the "...WAY we worship."
So far my friends with inside contacts have been right about 50% of the time. But this rumor sounds very plausible. This will allow the Watchtower to sell off some properties that have been losing value and reinvest only in major cities and growth areas - even though there are no current needs in those areas. It's all about property flips.
It also seems reasonable that Internet streaming will reduce some concerns that local elders might inject some of their own understanding into the local meetings. (This seems to be a small, but growing trend: elders who privately disagree with WT teaching and policy, but want to remain in responsible positions and keep their influence over local JWs.)
Call me crazy, but I think that many of the rumors will play out. All we can do is sit back and be amazed by what the Watchtower will do next.
JV
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New JW video, song and dance
by Listener inthe current jws do not cease to amaze.
here's their latest video on youtube and straight from bethel.. there is a lot of work involved in this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwou6e5vwbo .
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It will never die. I have it on my hard drive now... -
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New JW video, song and dance
by Listener inthe current jws do not cease to amaze.
here's their latest video on youtube and straight from bethel.. there is a lot of work involved in this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwou6e5vwbo .
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New JW video, song and dance
by Listener inthe current jws do not cease to amaze.
here's their latest video on youtube and straight from bethel.. there is a lot of work involved in this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwou6e5vwbo .
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Juan Viejo2
We (well, not me but all the other) apostates did it first and did it better...a long time ago....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpp2SDkgdGo
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JW.org email and contact numbers
by Juan Viejo2 inok - here is your task for the day:.
go to jw.org and find their information email address.
then find their weekend support desk phone number.. there is a link at the bottom of many pages that says [ ] email link.
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This was the original email I sent them (some personal information deleted):
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JH <[email protected]>
4:27 PM (23 minutes ago)to contactHow does one find your email address on your website?Dear Watchtower HQ Information Desk,
I get these kinds of emails all the time - they send them to me because they can't figure out how to send them to you.
Why is it so difficult to contact you by email? Why don't you have an automated Contact form on your website that will automatically forward inquiries to a sorting desk for follow-up?
I recently received another email inquiry through my website that asked for a JW Bible study. The couple was located in Arkadelphia, Arkansas. They certainly seemed legitimate. I tried to contact every Kingdom Hall around or near Arkadelphia. Some did not have phones listed. Other just rang or had an answering machine that would not take a message. What is that all about?
I edit several ex-JW websites. I get these kinds of emails all the time asking me to send WT literature, call and answer their WT questions, and arrange for Bible studies for them. Do you not see a problem with this? Why are they coming to me? Because they can't figure out how to contact your information desk by email.
JHSalem, Oregon
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Since I have been getting anywhere from 6-15 of these kinds of inquiries per month over the past year, my guess is that those sending these inquiries can't figure out how to email or call the Watchtower evenings or weekends. So they go to Google or Bing or ??? and look for "Jehovah's Witness" (and find my ex-jw.com link) or "Watchtower" (and find my WatchtowerWatch.com link) and hope that I can help them.
So much for the Watchtower's self-serving and self-congratulating entry into the world of the Web and the Internet. Can't even send them a simple email - even though they provide a [dead] link for that service.
That case in Arkadelphia, AR that I mentioned was interesting. I literally called every Kingdom Hall within 50 miles of the writers' address. I checked their address and name in Google and it was legit. I tried calling them for a couple of days, but only got an answering machine. But all of the Kingdom Halls listed on Google and on JW.org either did not answer or I got a "disconnected number" message from the Telco. I have JW relatives that live about 75 miles away in Arkansas, so I tried calling them. Jesus - what was I thinking. I even got one of them - and told them why I was calling - but they did nothing. So much for "preaching the good news."
Here is that exchange. Part of their message to me:
> can we help you?x I would like someone to contact me Connection to JWs?No
> connection. Just interested. i would like to
> have bible studys at my home xxx-xxx-xxxx call me , my address is XXX
> south XXth street apt 314 arkadelphia ark 71923 ,thanksJH <[email protected]>
11/15/14to XXXXXXIn our opinion, studying to become a Jehovah's Witness would be a very poor choice on your part and could begin a long life of regret for you by joining a cult - but we certainly recognize that you have the right to make those choices for yourself.Ex-JW.com is an ex-Jehovah's Witness website. I was raised a Jehovah's Witness and was very active in the religion as a young man. But I left decades ago and no longer belong to that religion.Dear Rxx and Mxxx,
Try this instead: https://www.jw.org/en/free-bible-study/
There are Kingdom Halls in Arkadelphia, Malvern, and Camden - but none will answer their phones. I also tried to contact the New York main offices but they do not answer their phones on the weekends.
I tried to call you - but got a busy signal ??? - so I don't know if the line was actually busy or if your service is not working at the moment.
I will try to refer you to a Jehovah's Witness relative of mine in Arkansas who can contact you and may be able to help find someone that can help you.
Again, I question whether this is the right thing for you to do, but I would be the last person to stop you from discovering the truth for yourselves. While you should keep an open mind, please don't take everything you hear or read as "gospel" until you've had time to investigate it completely. Whatever you choose to do - you have my blessing.
Jxxx HxxxSalem, OR
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I did get another email from these folks that thanked me for my efforts - but that they had still not been contacted by JWs.
Sad situation. What if Armageddon came next week and these people were destroyed because they could not (even with my help) get JWs to give them literature or conduct a "Bible" study with them.
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JW.org email and contact numbers
by Juan Viejo2 inok - here is your task for the day:.
go to jw.org and find their information email address.
then find their weekend support desk phone number.. there is a link at the bottom of many pages that says [ ] email link.
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OK - here is your task for the day:
Go to JW.org and find their information email address.
Then find their weekend support desk phone number.
There is a link at the bottom of many pages that says [ ] Email Link. Depending upon which browser I am using, the link either just breaks or sends me to my Outlook draft page - but nothing shows up in the address line or in the information line at the bottom (where it shows the incoming page link).
Most email systems will route odd emails to a special email box set up for misaddressed emails or for those being sent to a box that has been closed. You send an email to XXXX@ex-jw.com or [email protected] and I will get it (not suggesting you do this - but that's how email should be routed to the email manager.)
So, hoping that the Watchtower was smart enough to have a similar system set up, I decided to send them an email to let them know that someone in Africa was craving their version of the Truth, but in braille.
Instead, this is what I got when I sent an email to [email protected] (emails and sender identity "xed out"):
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Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
[email protected]
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server for the recipient domain jw.org. [208.74.140.199].
The error that the other server returned was:
550 5.1.1 User unknown-------------------------------
Here is the latest inquiries posted through my contact form on Ex-JW.com that I tried to forward to JW.org:
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Contact Ex-JW.com Your Name (Given or Pseudonym) Email exxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com How can we help you? I would like to suggest a book or video Connection to JWs? No connection. Just interested. Website http:// Message hi I am a blind man, I and my family want some of your books and video please sent me braille books, but my wife is not blind and she too wants some of the books thank you.
From his second message:
Contact Ex-JW.com Your Name (Given or Pseudonym) Email exxxxxxxxxx@gmail.com How can we help you? I would like to suggest a book or video Connection to JWs? No connection. Just interested. Website http:// Message hi I am Exxxxxxxx please sent me braille j w books for the blind and my family but I am the only blind person in the family. thank you this is the address Exxxxxxx Axxxxxxxxx P. O. Box 00 xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ghana W / A -
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Simon - does this site still have RSS or have you dropped it completely?
JV
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Rutherford's Hostile Welcome in New Zealand
by AndersonsInfo inhttp://watchtowerdocuments.org/hostile-welcome-new-zealand/.
rutherfords hostile welcome in new zealand.
posted on december 23, 2014 by barbara on www.watchtowerdocuments.org.
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Barbara included Shazoolo's YT video in her article because it so clearly describes thoses days of Rutherford and bad prophecy...
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What's with this "no windows in kingdom halls" thing?
by Trapped in JW land ini hear many people on this forum say that kh's don't have windows.
but i have never been to one that didn't have windows.
is this only in a certain area or something?.
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In the USA each major city or counties have their own building codes. Each set of building codes may change over time as the City Manager or Mayor changes. So in the same city you may see older (pre-2000) KHs without windows and newer ones with windows.
Many years ago there most building codes required a fairly large numbers of windows to allow air (before adequate cooling and heating systems became affordable). Many of these windows were not large enough to allow anyone to climb in or out, but had some movable sections to allow fresh air in and odors out during cleaning.
The main reasons the Watchtower discourages windows is (1) extra cost, (2) cleaning requirements, (3) security, and (4) to reduce distractions for those trapped inside during meetings. It also improves sound distribution inside and reduces distracting sounds from outside the buildings.
I grew up in a Kingdom Hall that had large paned windows all the way down on one side and small (bathroom type) windows on the opposite side. I notice that a recent church that had bought the old building removed or plastered over the windows except for two small vertical panes on each side of the entry doors.
Realize that most "Christian" churches, both classic and more modern, use glass windows as decorative displays that only let a small amount of sunlight in at certain times of the day. But in some USA communities, local building codes require a certain number of windows that will allow for entry and egress for fire and police and other emergency personnel. But if they don't have windows then the doors must be made of wood or other material that will allow fire department drills or axes to easily cut through in case someone is trapped inside or emergency personnel must enter for other reasons.
The bottom line is local building codes prevail, but the Watchtower would have no windows except in their highrise office buildings (view!) if they could.
JV
